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Karl Loren


Dear Karl,

I do not care to make a comment on your site at this time.  I have not had the time to read and veiw all pages.  I am a registered nurse, because of this I feel it would only be appropriate to comment once I have read all the information provided on your site.  The reason I am writing - I ordered tablet and powder form MSM from your site and received it yesterday.  It did not come with any dosage recommendations.  I came to the site looking for the dosage recommendations and the link is not working.  I recieve an error message regarding the URL.  Please send me your dosage instruction for both form that I ordered.  Thank You. D


Dear D,
As an RN, here is one you might find of interest.

[enclosed article about cholesterol]

Karl Loren


Dear Karl,
 
Yes, an R.N.  A believer of our medical system - No Way!  I have worked in the intensive care unit for over five years now.  I deal with Myocardial Infarctions, Heart Disease in every form and fashion.  I draw patients blood that is sent to the lab to check for cholesterol levels.  I know that the majority of MI patients have normal to near normal and sometimes even low levels of Cholesterol.  I have an 89 year old grandmother who's cholesterol lever has never been below 280 and usually is around 340 to 360.  She is as healthy as they come.  Still drives herself to the house races and lives alone. 
 
As for me - I became very ill after having received the Hepatitis B vaccine followed by an MMR vaccine.  These were required for me to work in the medical field.  I saw mention of Fibromyalgia on one of your pages; however, I have not found a page on Chronic Fatigue Syndrone mentioned - as of yet.  After two years of having my doctor hand me prescriptions for anti-depressants and then telling me I needed to see a psychiatrist I set out on my own - located a neurologist who then referred me to the doctor I am currently seeing.  I tested positive for Epstein Barr Virus and the HHV6 virus (which by the way a person who has HIV and then develops AIDs will also have the HHV6 virus - apparently studies are showing that HIV is not the virus that causes AIDS nor is it the HHV6 virus, but both of them in combination!)  Is the government out telling everyone this - I think not!  I also have been researching the origin of the AIDs virus and so far am not pleased at all with my findings.  So far it appears that our government set up a bio-weapons study (developing viruses that would weaken the human immune system) and whalla we now have AIDs.  Back to my individual experience with this illness - I now am convinced that the combination of these vaccines compromised my immune system to the extent that my T-cell count is only 63 - as of last month.  I go through periods where I feel half alive, sometimes for weeks, and other times when I feel like my body has betrayed me - during these times It takes every ounce of energy I can muster just to get off the couch to go to the toilet - getting back to the couch is a whole new ball game!  I have heart palpitations, get severely short of breath at times, unexplained swelling in my hands and feet, and would you believe even under my arms? I keep chronic post nasal drip (dark circles under my eyes) sore throats that come and go, swollen lymph glands at all times, I believe I also have neurally mediated hypotension, my blood pressure will drop down into the 70's at any given moment, from which I become symptomatic, ringing in my ears, a full feeling in my head with absent to diminished hearing.  I have lost the strength in my grasp,  my feet are always frozen (not just cold), my hands are cold most of the time,  I have no cold tolerance (the thermostat can be set at 78 degrees and I am chilled to the bone - goose bumps all over - and I can not get warm until the temp. increases in the house, but the worst of all of this is the brain fog that never goes away or diminishes!  I graduated Nursing school with a 3.52 something GPA.  My first semester of college my GPA was 3.825 and I made the Deans Honor List, now I can not retain anything I read, have a great deal of trouble assimilating things, simple problems are very complex for me, I can be driving home and miss my turn - gone five miles or more up the road before I realize I am not where I should be and will have to concentrate in order to remember where I am or which direction I am going.  I'm sure this sounds very scary to you - It would too me and I certainly would not want me for a nurse in the intensive care unit, please know that I self schedule and only work on days that I am functional, I frequently call into work sick and usually only work two days a week sometimes less.  I will not ever compromise one of my patients - if things don't feel right to me I am the first person to get another nurse to assess what is going on either with my patient or with what I am doing (example: calculating a drug dosage).  I am currently taking Adderall (similar to Ritalin) I would not be able to function at all without this medication nor without the Vitamin B12 weekly injections nor the glutathione/ATP sublingual drops .  These brought me back to life when I felt no life left in me.  Depression? No I am not depressed, I get depressed some times, but so does everyone else.  Relationship problems? No, I have been married to a wonderful man for over 20 years.  I have searched, researched, and searched myself looking for the cause of my illness, it was not until recently that I was able to link it to the vaccines - at the time of the vaccinations I was under a great deal of stress, I had just started working the night shift in the ICU as a graduate nurse.  I don't know if you have ever heard the term, "Nurses eat their young" or not, but I can tell you there is so much truth to that statement - and that was the cause of my stress!  Prior to this I had always had good health, I can only remember having two colds my entire life (I am 43).  Never anything more than a cold!  Can you see why I believe it was the vaccines that did this to me?  I am not writing you to whine and cry and gain sympathy, I am writing to you because I want to make you aware that women don't get sick from being in "bad relationships".  My first marriage was a very bad and abusive relationship and I was not ill then.  I don't think any man be he a MD or not has the right to ever insinuate to a woman that her health issues are an effect of a bad relationship, or are caused by a psychological problem!  I have known many emotionally weak men and yet I have never seen a doctor tell them or imply to them that it is a psychosis, or an underlying emotional problem. My husband and I shared the same doctor for years - the one who handed me a script for Prozac and told me he wanted me to see a psychiatrist,  my husband saw him on average 4 times as often as me, yet he never handed my husband a prescription for Prozac or told him to see a "Psychiatrist"!  So please do not ever do that to a woman.  Illnesses are real, yes we need to take responsibility for our own health and eat right, exercise and all the other good for you stuff and quit relying on doctors who's pockets are lined with money and expensive vactions by the pharmaceutical companies.  That is what I am doing.  I was advised to seek disability - I am not disabled nor do I intend to become disabled, that would mean death to me.  I came upon your site and several others.  I read and read some more.  I came back to your site because I believe allot of the things you believe, I believe our minds are extremely powerful and we have not yet gained the ability to tap into that power, so in the mean time I will be searching out more things I can do to improve my health or at least maintain it at it's present state. 
 
I would like to know your opinion on a product called Seasilver.  I have ordered some and am awaiting it's arrival.  It is all natural and is in liquid form.  I became interested in liquid vitamins because they contain no fillers and are more easily absorbed than capsules or tablets, with delayed gastric emptying, irritable bowel, and malabsortion disorder, I believe the oral forms will work better for me.  But I would still like to know your opinion and if you have any other suggestions of things for me to look at and consider.  I appreciate your time and the quickness of your response to my email.  Thank You.
 
Sincerely,
D
 
P.S. I do not know your privacy policy - I did not look at it - please do not share my name or email address with any others without contacting me first.  Thanks.

Dear D,

Well, thanks much for responding in such fullness!
Even doctors are willing to lump fibromyalgia and CFS in the same basket.  My article on fibromyalgia is indicated to apply also to CFS.
You might enjoy what I've written about AIDS and the "virus."  AT:  http://www.oralchelation.com/viewpoint/karl_loren/article2.htm 
I'm writing, here, as I read, so haven't read it all yet, but comment that your fog, and many of your problems are probably due to the anti-depressants you took. You were not exactly clear on how many, how long, but your very mention of them started the alarms going in my head.
You might read what I have to say about that, here:  http://www.oralchelation.com/viewpoint/karl_loren/article2.htm 
You used the word "scarey" == that your description would sound scarey to me??  Not at all.  It is exactly what I expect in anyone who uses psychiatric drugs.  I do have a complete remedy for you -- but we'll see how willing you are to consider new things -- all published on my pages.
Now, to continue reading.
Relative to "nurses eat their young" -- I have an article that describes some of why I think this is true.  I could paste it in, but I'll just give you the address, and suggest you read it:
At:
http://www.oralchelation.com/wednesday/previous/2000/5jul00.htm 
The "bad relaitonship" concept is still senior.  You are just not seeing that the persons who put you into the nursing schedule, or gave you the vaccines, or some one you trusted -- one of these was the wrong relationship.  Somewhere there is a person you trusted, loved, liked, whatever, who betrayed you -- invalidated you, evaluated for you -- this is a very much deeper subject than I have published.  But, let that go for now -- you may have to find secondary causes, like vaccines, before you can get back to a PERSON who harmed you.
Seasilver?  All Natural? The term "natural" has no meaning and is most often used to deceive people.
Read here my comments on "natural" and "organic."  AT:  http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/answers.htm
I have looked at "silver" stuff -- never found one that wasn't a fraud.  I won't go looking at this, but I would assume it, like all the others, is a fraud.
Whether or not they claim that this silver is in colloidal form?  I have the truth about colloids -- not all published, but much of it is HERE:
http://www.oralchelation.com/clarks/colloidal/index.htm
I know that I give out "announcements," but I could do it slowly, and get to the point gently, but oral vitamins are not workable. Just a generality, but truth.  There are many reasons for this.  The primary reason for people to sell oral vitamins is because they have found a misleading way to create a market niche for themselves.  Another deceit.
A fascinating  letter,  D.  I would very much like to help you -- but let me see what you do with the above.
Since you are currently taking a psychiatric drug, as you have read from my link above, I refuse to sell you anyof my products.  But, I'm willing to help you get off that drug.
You cannot possibly know how harmful that has been on you -- and still is -- else you would not use it.
You think you need it? That is the evil of psychiatry, to get you addicted to their drugs -- far worse than cocaain.
But, your message was well received -- let me hear from you again -- I do have help to offer -- but not currently any products would I sell to you.

I never give out or share any names or eMail addresses.  Eventually, depending on how this dialogue goes, I would like to publish this, leaving out names, etc., and changing anything you might feel needs disguising.

Cordially,
Karl Loren
-----Original Message-----
From: D
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 9:18 AM
To: karl@karlloren.com
Subject: Re: Message to Karl Loren from the Bulk MSM Home Section

 
Dear Karl,
 
I was able to read from a couple of the links you attached.  Very interesting reading - makes one mind open to more possibilities and answers.  I will be reading from your site on a daily basis as time allows.
 
I never took the antidepressants because I was never "clinically depressed"  I must relay a story to you -

The very day of lecture in my pharmaceutical class in nursing school my instruction (the only one I had great respect for) stood before the class and announced this:  "Medicine - It is poison"

These were the first words out of her mouth - the opening of her lecture.  She relayed to the class that during a lecture she had attended a pharmacist told this to his audience.  That quote stuck in my head.  Poison! 

Yes, medicines are poison, I believe this to be the truth!  As for the antidepressants I saw many people become zombie like while taking these drugs. 

My mother never took pills and made numerous comments when we were growing up about dangers of medications - she never kept anything in the house beyond Pepto-Bismol and aspirin.  She told us once that a doctor had given her Valium and that she slept all day and had a difficult time arousing - she took the bottle a flushed them down the toilet - it was that one experience with a prescription medication that brought her to the conclusion that medications are not good for people. 

 
I told you in my last email that I was currently taking Adderall. 

I also told you that it made such an improvement on my quality of life.  You have to know that prior to taking this medication I could not take more than 6 to 10 steps without muscles in my legs burning, my legs turning into jello, they would become dead weight, at times I would half fall to the floor, it was as though the message my brain was sending to my legs was not getting through. 

Am I willing to get off of Adderall? 

The answer to that is yes.  At the same time am I willing to go off and return to the previous state mentioned - the answer to that is no - I would rather have some quality of life than none at all. 

I have to be able to function - I will not go off of this poison unless there is something that will restore me to my previous level of functioning! 

Who in their right mind would chose to live on their living sofa unable to stand to even take a shower?  That is how bad things were with me, just brushing my teeth and pure unadulterated exhaustion consumed my entire body!  Because of this medication I am able to clean my house, go to work and earn money, prior to this medication I could do none of these things, activities of daily living I could not accomplish. 

That is not living by any definition of life! 

How is one to continue on life's path under these conditions.  I do not have months or years to experiment, to see if this product or that product is going to make a difference - is going to give me my life back! 

I still have children and grandchildren to spend time with, bills to pay, shopping and cleaning to do.  Just how is it Karl that someone in good health all of their life fall to pieces like I did? 

How is it that my immune system working normally and doing it's job just all of the sudden quits? 

As far as previous abuses to my body - none.  I rarely drank alcohol and on the most maybe twice a year.  I never did street drugs. 

What happened and what I can I do to take my immune system back to it's previous healthy state?  As I told you earlier, I am searching for answers and I will not stop until I find some.  I do not want to be on medications any more than any one else. 

I do not want to feel the way I feel.  I want to be alive - to feel life - otherwise why allow the body to live.  I have seen many patients, their bodies alive on artificial life support, but their souls are gone.  You can see a person's soul by looking into their eyes - that is where you see life- that is where human life lives, not in the body alone - one with out the other is useless here on earth. 

Again, I appreciate your replies.

 
Sincerely,
D

Dear D,

Wow!

Well done!

I particularly want to hear back from you after you have read my article about fibromyalgia.

The relationship thing?  I won't push it, because you can't see it, just now.

You are at a point where the most basic source of your health problems are not yet ready to be approached -- but there is a way to rid your body of the addictive toxins that make you so dependent on the very drug that is killing you.

On medicines being poison?  Yes, indeed.

I point you to a page where I have discussed just this about drugs -- they are all, first, stimulants, then depressants, and then toxic to death.  This is the sequence.

Coffee?  You think of as a stimulant?  yes, but drink enough and you'll go to sleep.

Here is a selection from the page:

The most critical thing to know about alcohol, and its effect on the body is that it is a stimulant in small amounts, a depressant in larger amounts, and a deadly toxin in yet larger amounts. This is a universal truth.  A very small amount of any toxic substance will serve as a stimulant.

We think of coffee as a stimulant -- and it is.  You can actually drink many cups of coffee before you pass over the stimulant range and into the depressant range.  It would take a very large amount of coffee to kill you.

 

 

Here is that page:  http://www.happinessonline.org/BeTemperate/index.html

I look forward to more of your thoughts and discoveries.

Cordially,

Karl Loren


August 21, 2002

Karl,
I went to the site regarding Fibromyalgia.  I read the entire article and found it quite interesting.  I had to work this afternoon/night so was unable to let you know what I thought of it.  I plan to read it through it's entirety again tomorrow - I am far to exhausted to try to read it again tonight.  It is late and I need my beauty sleep - LOL.  Will get back with you regarding such tomorrow.
Sincerely,
D
 

 

 

 



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